hognuts, if you had been around here for more than a few months, you'd know me better. I've been talking with a lot of the same people here for 5-7 years. This is a discussion thread and I have been working my ass of trying to gather up stats, angles and opinions that will help me and other people here get a good understanding of the game. if you don't like what I write please don't read it anymore.
mrhognuts said:
then it's quite obvious you don't read his posts. because rarely if ever does he tell people to make certain choices.. conan, like many of us talk about the game. we don't tell people which picks to make, but we do give our advice from our own perspective. for you to think that discussing the bcs and making several posts, suddenly means "newbies might make a bad choice" - then maybe it's you who is the newbie. There are no "locks", "game of the years", "put your house down on this" posts. All that's discussed is prior history (for newbies, that means facts) - and perspective.
pathetic post on your part. when "capping" has been done - it's been done with logic and insight. not "gut feelings" -- that's why the people who do cap the pac-10 are usually spot on. how is that misleading? when a team shouldn't win a game, people dont' make up ways they should? and not once has anyone suggested that they are selecting or commenting on teams based purely on "bullshit". that's assanine.
if you don't want to read the "pages of BS" (even though you never have) then don't. If you took the time to read it, its most recenly on two teams that aren't even slated to play as of right now. how on earth is discussing two potential matchups, a load of BS that some "newbie" might incorrectly use?
my favorite part is how you are contributing to the bigger picture. "take the west coast cappers with a gran of salt" - isn't that what all people do? read both sides of the game? play devils advocate? everyone needs to take the east coast cappers more seriously? because....???
Here's how I see opinions and cappers.
You live in the same area as the team - I sure as hell will listen to you about fact or insight. You live in the same area and talk your team up like the next national champ? I'll do my own research and viewing to see if you have any basis.
You live nowhere near the team and have no immediate or direct insight? - I'm not going to take much from your comments. Touting up your team as the best in the land, and you live far away? Again, I'll make that decision on my own.
But dont go around and blanket statement an entire region of the country because we are passionate, educated, and insightful about our conferences. If you don't think so, chime in on the subject or at least read what these people have to say. To categorize us as a bunch of "BS" is pathetic. And benefits nobody. Or would you rather read about the Pac-10 from a few people who live in Maine and read the Sunday paper? Because I sure as hell don't read about U of M from my morning paper all the way out here. Nor do I pretend to know anything about them.
Jimmy Hoffa said:
2 words
wyoming
texas tech
this season, probably 3 words or more...
i guess the play not to lose statement needs some explaining, makes no sense to say that about any team, besides notre dame. but i doubt if young charlie would play for a tie.
if you mean the big ten and sec play defense, and not flag football, you are correct.
and real football you say, was that when fresno st threw up 40 on the great usc, or 600 plus yards on oregon, or maybe when houston moved up and down the field on the oregon defense, or, or, or .... pac ten pussssssiiiess :toast:
"whormoan said:
what a great statement..."these wc homers are not handicappers or professional gamblers, just fans."
f***ing quote of the year right there
take a look at their records, oh but then you get the excuse of liensthey are just . what a joke, stick your neck out guys and pick a side, and then when you pick a side, don't back peddle and say it was lien.:finger:
beating.vegas said:"
what a great statement..."these wc homers are not handicappers or professional gamblers, just fans."
f***ing quote of the year right there
take a look at their records, oh but then you get the excuse of liensthey are just . what a joke, stick your neck out guys and pick a side, and then when you pick a side, don't back peddle and say it was lien.:finger:
Beating Vegas, I honestly have nothing against the Pac-10 or West Coast football. I just speak the truth, and sometimes the truth hurts. I have been involved with football for over 2 decades - playing, gambling, etc... I have experience in pro football organizations as well. If I thought these conferences were good, I would be the 1st to say it. I just hate that blind sheep all want to line up and proclaim history over this yr's USC team, Reggie Bush, etc... This yr's USC team is only the 3rd best in the last 3 yrs, let alone even in the top 10 of the best ever. Carson Palmer is SO much better than Leinart, it isn't even close. Reggie Bush, while great, has played against NO LEGIT DEFENSES on his way to the Heisman this yr. It's easy for great players to expose weak competition, and that's what the Pac-10 is. USC has had a free pass with byes every other week for 2 years now. If they had played during this run in a legit conference, they never would have survived unscathed week to week, and people wouldn't be falling over themselves to proclaim them the best ever. People thought Akili Smith, Joey Harrington, Cade McNown, Ryan Leaf would be perennial pro-bowlers too. While there have been plenty of busts from other conferences, the Pac-10 sticks out with skill players on offense because the defenses don't exist. Over the last 3-5 yrs, the Pac-10 has evolved into Arena Football. This "play not to lose" spin is a bunch of crap. Matt Leinart will fizzle out and be holding a clipboard in the NFL and Bush will be nothing better than a dangerous return threat and 3rd down back. The one who will star in the NFL is Dwayne Jarret. Mark my words. I'm not going anywhere. I am happy to admit if I am wrong. We will see.
Whormoan hasn't started drinking yet tonight. He was wrong about Stanford vs Notre Dame but he won't admit it. He stood by and watched Nevade Reno and never mentioned the people who had the game pegged. He didn't even say anything about AZ covering easily when they played ASU and I think he was wrong in that one too. It doesn't matter if anyone is right, that's his entire purpose in life on this board to prove people wrong. He'd like to believe he understands the conference better than others but he only compares them now to other years for the sake of proving something that has nothing to do with winning bets. HIs comparison of the conference to outdoor arena football is a poor metaphor at best. He won't admit shit, he never has and never will.
Now he pretends to be a fair and even tempered guy. If you believe that you haven't read what he typically says and heard the caustic attitude he loves to vent to make up for his dismal existence.
Now he pretends to be a fair and even tempered guy. If you believe that you haven't read what he typically says and heard the caustic attitude he loves to vent to make up for his dismal existence.
and... I don't want to forget this one. His biggest contribution to the USC/UCLA discussion is that he thinks the refs will throw it in favor of USC. Does that sound like a bitch or a handicapper to you? He'd never repeat that to any ref's face or he'd get his lights punched out. I'd repeat anything I said without giving it a second thought.
I don't need to compare myself with him for any reason whatsoever, I only wish to demonstrate where he is coming from and where I am at with my conscience about what I do. He'll spew all kinds of crap but he will never back up his positon with money on the table. He's been asked by WC and by myself to put up and he clams up instead. He's all blow and no show. All words and no deeds. All tout and no action behind his opinions.
I don't need to compare myself with him for any reason whatsoever, I only wish to demonstrate where he is coming from and where I am at with my conscience about what I do. He'll spew all kinds of crap but he will never back up his positon with money on the table. He's been asked by WC and by myself to put up and he clams up instead. He's all blow and no show. All words and no deeds. All tout and no action behind his opinions.
Conan said:
Conan, hilarious how you keep saying I was wrong on the Notre Dame/Stanford game. Find and paste here anywhere you see me posting that I took Notre Dame or Arizona State. It just so happens I didn't bet on either game. I was rooting for the Irish. As for people having Nevada pegged, you are crazy if you think I am following anybody's plays. Just more proof you are truly a moron.
